Dr Paul Andrews, a CIA physician, woke up with permanent brain injuries without any physical infliction. He had advance knowledge of the murders at the Tate house, because he had the house under surveillance.William, if this guy was a close friend of Sebring, Tate and Polanski, and knew about the murders before they happened, why didn't he warn Tate & Sebring? A little known fact is that Reeve Whitson was involved in the push to make a street legal version of the GT40, otherwise known as the Mark III GT40. It came with the house. And did he not usually have permission for the few occasions he travelled out of state ? Grim said: But it's not true. The Manson Family Blog - Tate LaBianca Murders - TLB - True Crime A lot of people who were involved in this event are dead now, some won't talk and others have spoken of what they know. It didn't seem to be a secret when it should have been A search of Whitson's extended acrobatic family shows a connection with the OSS, and CIA in their foreign travels with the USO. As I said on the other blog, the other day I hate Bittaker with a passion. Studying Scarlet: True Crime: Ep 39 - Apple Podcasts O'Neill's information on Whitson provides strong support for the proposition that military and intelligence agencies were involved in the Tate LaBianca murders, bringing the CIAs Phoenix program of assassination and torture of Vietnamese non-combatants home to America. I came to your office,Q And you were there with a man named Reeves Witson?A:Yes.Q:He is a friend of yours?A:Yes.Q:And I had a conversation with you about this man who walked up in front of the Tate residence?A:Yes, you did.Q:Did I show you some photographs?A:Yes.This is the second time:RONALD HUGHES:Were you called in by Mr. Bugliosi? While Manson was near the porch, Sharon Tate came to the door to ask who it was, and saw Manson. I'm pretty sure the last time Doris was in the house was for the watching of the moon landing but I do remember her saying it was there though I highly doubt it was upside down like the pics from Aug 9 show, I can't imagine that would be too cool with Col Paul lol, Just as a general statement regarding the killers you have to take into account that BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION they took HUNDREDS of trips on hallucinogenic drugs in addition to smoking marijuana daily, these people are bound to forget various things that most look at as things that are mere footnotes such as what piece of furniture was where, who said what first, where the flag was, what time it was, etc, etc. I'm not getting that from Helter Skelter, I'm getting that from Candace Bergen's auto-bio. He had a reason to believe something weird was about to happen at the [Tate] house. Can't shake old ways, he used to say" comments sorted by Best Top New Controversial Q&A Add a Comment CowOwn Additional comment actions Anyone that engages with me should by now know that at the very least, notwithstanding my style and sense of humour {or lack thereof !} C'mon Grim, you know betterThe big reveal was that Danny DeCarlo "ratted out" the Manson crew which was against the biker code.But that has been public knowledge since September 1970.And no, I don't know better. They had dinner at the restaurant and left about 9:45. According to Statman's book (I think that's where I read it), Doris told Sharon to get rid of that flag because if Paul Tate saw it he'd hit the roof. He did this throughout the 60s and 70s. I wouldn't base any findings on what she says. William Alexander " Rip " Robertson Jr. (August 3, 1920 - December 1, 1970) [1] was a Central Intelligence Agency Case Officer in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970. ONeill interviewed Hatami who said that Bugliosi knew Reeve very wellHow would Hatami, who met Bugliosi only a couple of times, and on official business {ID photos, trial} know who Bugliosi knew, well or otherwise ?Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. Lamar said A lot of people only see what they want to seeUnless of course you have no agenda to begin with.Open your minds!Does not the fact that there are so many alternative theories cause you to open your mind and wonder why ? The Manson Murders, JFK, 9/11, and the Psychopathy of Power Shahrokh Hatami, Tate's personal photographer, admits to O'Neill that he learned of the murders by telephone, from an intelligence agent named Reeve Whitson, ninety minutes before the police were even called to the scene. Reeve Whitson slept on a cot in his parents' kitchen, drove a Pinto, and left unpaid hospital bills when he died. I have a really good memory because I have OCD, the only good gift from my diagnosis. But getting arrested is only the start point of a long and difficult process. They do a lot of illegal, ugly things against man's law, and against God's law. ONeal's lousy, undocumented conspiracy book?I actually learned it initially from Cielodrive.com. The Manson Family Blog - Tate LaBianca Murders - TLB - True Crime Robert Linkletter and Reeve Whitson - ProBoards I won't accept something just because someone says it. It seems like a lot of cases have a central question and a bunch of smaller ones. %PDF-1.7 % Extended interview: 50 years after the Manson - The Georgia Straight Robertson was born in Manard, Muskogee County, Oklahoma, on August 3, 1920 [2] and attended Vanderbilt University before and after the war. Or was he himself a willing pawn in a greater scheme he wasn't aware of?The CIA are not nice guys. The similarities include a close relationship with Manson, the desert ranches, Skorzeny, drugs, a probable link to a very secret CIA division, and he was a killer. And life just gets more better and more clearer! Since O'Neill's sources said that Whitson was in the house after the murders but before the police came, O'Neill draws the conclusion that Whitson was Manson's partner. And, if you look at the police reports, there are those who claim to have heard male voices outside hours after Watson, et al. Those things, and wondering what really went on with William Garretson that night. Reeve finally returned home late that night, but never said where he was during the hours he was missing.Whitson told Frank Rosenfelt, former president and CEO of MGM, that he met Manson before the murders at Cielo Drive, and the murders could have been prevented, but no one in law enforcement would listen to him. In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. "I was only 19 at the time. I'd welcome any theories or additional info one may want to share and I'll share the info I have. This was essential because Sharon and Jay might have put up quite a fight with their martial arts skills acquired from training by the master Bruce Lee. It's a strange coincidence. This is a bit off topic. 'Nuff said.Melcher moved out of Cielo Drive in December of 1968. Scares the shit out of me to think of it. These papers are in the Eisenhower Presidential Library in Abeliene, Kansas. Livestream from our facebook group discussing strange character Reeve Whitson apparent "friend" of Tate Polanski and Sebring, also apparently associated with Charles Manson and Spahn Ranch. The Reeve Whitson character is intriguing, and I just don't know what to make of Sharon Tate's father. starviego saidI am now thinking those items were planted at the scene to subtly demonize the victims and to enable police to go off on their sham 'drug burn' diversion.I agree. Bugliosi had covered up for Terry Melcher during the trial. In my research into a close friend's father (Elwood "Red" Franklin Williams) that was active in the Laurel Canyon activities back then, I found much of Red's info matched the info on Whitson. LONG before O'Neill's book CHAOS came out, I was tracking Reeve Whitson because his name came up in the ORIGINAL Tate-Labianca trial transcripts. Neutralizing the Left The Lawyer Swap Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic Mind Control Where Does It All Go? The Zodiac Killer and the CIA - Zodiac Killer Identified Who is this O'Neill guy? I mean, to this day, you will find many people parroting it as fact and creating all kinds of mysteries as a result. I agree Beauders. This is the first time Whitson comes up during Hatami's period under oath;BUGLIOSI: Do you recall coming into my office, Mr. Hatami, about a half a year ago?A:YesQ:On the fifth floor of the Hall of Justice?A:I don't remember the floor. It's all bullcrap, I may not be a believer in Helter Skelter being the motive but some of these conspiracy theories are beyond ridiculous, Reeve knew where all the bodies were buried, and who was involved. 1. . "That was Sharon. On the night of the murders, he'd been there and left. J. Edgar Hoover's directive to his agents said this: 1. All the other times he is mentioned by Bugliosi.Going back to the point about Whitson suggesting the memory of Manson being the one that Sharon looked at that day back in March '69, Hatami has always been consistent ~ he has no recollection of ever seeing Manson in the flesh. Reeve Whitson Photos and Premium High Res Pictures - Getty Images Not now, however. They do a lot of illegal, ugly things against man's law, and against God's law. You ought to get a hold of the trial testimony of his parole/probation officer, Samuel Barrett. Some sources report that Susan Atkins didn't do any stabbing that she called upon Tex to do it for her. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? But again, nobody saw him. "Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col. Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi." The only reference to a Reeve Whitson online is to a CIA operative active in central America in the '80s. For example, Bugliosi states that he learned that Gregg Jacobson arranged for Dean Moorehouse to stay at 10050 Cielo in the period between Terry Melcher leaving and the Polanskis moving in. You should have a read of it if you haven't already, with particular attention given to the testimiony of Terry Melcher and Dean Mooorehouse.That Moorehouse had been to Cielo while Melcher lived there in the summer of '68 is no secret. Reeve Whitson? When Reeve starting working for the CIA is unknown. The Family only first heard about HS on new years eve 1968. Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties; Prologue (Video) Epilogue; Chapter 12 - Where Does It All Go? ..the housekeeper* told me, "That flag has always been here. But not on substance.because as far as I can see, there hasn't been any.I will say this; I have no idea if you met Charles Manson in January of 1969 on some construction site. It had been there ever since Voityck and Gibby (Abigail Folger) moved in. Grim said,The most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. This comment has been removed by the author. Lotus, Brabham, McLaren, Cooper and a few others joined, but the venture failed because Whitson . Then Ashley explores mystery man Reeve Whitson and his connection to the case, before taking a closer look at the operations conducted by the CIA and FBI in the Los Angeles and San Francisco areas during the 1960s. Shortly after his arrival, the town became the epicenter of a shocking event that almost wrecked the Democratic Party's effort to win back the White House. McGann was nearly certain that Whitson was in the CIA, and found him "very credible. Read up on their historyI'm in full agreement with you on this. Sometimes, it's actually worth following theories to a logical conclusion. He gave him a piano. Kay told him that Manson and Watson had been to the Cielo house when Terry Melcher and Candace Bergen were there. Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap Podcast Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA Reeve Whitson was born circa 1931, at birth place, Illinois, to Mervyn Whitson and Florence Whitson. HA HA HA!! I've always been a massive skeptic- ironically I'm a huge fan of Bugliosi's Reclaiming History. Thus some tainted drug had to be given to them. A.F.S., Colonia Dignidad, von Braun, Kissinger, Ruby, and Giancana are some of the major players. I certainly wouldn't play the game of being a tease but if I did, I wouldn't be irritated if people didn't take what I said with any great seriousness. What is the general opinion of Robert Linkletter as a suspect? It's a matter of public record, I've seen the court documents but I don't remember where, I think those were the same charges Dean and Tex borrowed Melchers car to drive to court for. Reeve Whitson was born on March 25, 1931. 'We were introduced to Art Linklater, and we were also given tickets for a show by Reeve, where, during the interval, we met Andrew Lloyd Webber and Sarah Brightman backstage in their dressing room,' Alistair told me. Did you have a police officer contact him, or did you contact him by phone?MR MUSICH: I object to the question as immaterial, your Honor, how he got thereQ:Just foundatiorial, your HonorA: I learned about the existence of Mr. Hatami from Rudy Altobelli, and at that time I contacted the LAPD and I told them to find Hatami and bring him to my office. ", Another one of Ed Sanders mysterious names with stories too interesting to be true, animal sacrifices, human sacrifices, porn movies filmed of the family at some Malibu mansion, Susan drinking blood and pooping on stairwells, Charlie biting through umbilical cord, blah, blah, blah, The Family is more a work of fiction than Lord of the Rings. "pg201"Reeve was my main person to help me," PJ Tate said. Lol who knows and also I stand corrected it was a VW microbus Manson traded it for, Regarding Moorehouse living at Cielo I never thought there was anything to it then I was listening to a recorded interview with Tom O'Neill who wrote the Chaos book, he said Altobelli told him that Melcher did let Moorehouse live at Cielo off and on during the summer of 1968, apparently this was one of the things O Neill asked Bugliosi in one of their many interviews for the book, O Neill said he started finding so many inconsistencies between that Bugs said publicly and what Melcher told him privately that Vince got so paranoid that he started threatening Tom about putting the things he heard from Melcher in the book. He was never convicted of anything that was deemed to be serious enough to have him put back in the years '67~'69. At the same time he was befriending CIA agent Reeve Whitson, Manson was also meeting with Charles Winans, an operative from Naval Intelligence. He was very, very helpful. Take a person (Krenwinkel) with an IQ just barely in the 3 digits to begin with and add in the hallucinogens, pot and babblings of a man she's in love with (Manson) and you've got a woman operating on a bowl of porridge for brains, katie8753 said "I've gotta say, I agree with Mon on this one. Sharon Tate's father was military intelligence and headed an off-the-grid task force of sorts aimed at finding out more about his daughter's murder. Krenwinkel did not see the flag on the couch. It might have been more accurate to say that Hatami said the name once and Bugliosi said it three times, but I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedantic. William Garretson claimed that on the afternoon of August 8 while hitchhiking back to Cielo, some guy dressed as a hippie, picked him up. O'Neill said he got his copy of the book from another journalist. That said, in some cases it's understandable.In the case of Bugliosi's book, the errors regarding the Hearst bike delivery times and the Parent/Sharon car registrations aren't ones that I regard as serious. You weren't in the Family. According to Sanders, p. 197, Hurst delivered the bicycle between 6:30 and 7:00. Ridgway is another scumbag who will never adequately pay for his crimes, that is unless he gets tied to some murders here in Portland. Mon Durphy said regarding the killers you have to take into account that BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION they took 100s of trips on hallucinogenic drugs in addition to smoking marijuana daily, these people are bound to forget various things that most look at as things that are mere footnotes such as what piece of furniture was where, who said what first, where the flag was, what time it was, etc, etcThat would apply, even if they hadn't taken loads of drugs over a 4~5 year period. Whitson was a former CIA agent who had worked extensively in Latin America including Ecuador. He got a call at 7 a.m. on Aug. 9, 1969 from an acquaintance named Reeve Whitson, whom Hatami described as a "mystery man." O'Neill found this characterization was universal among Whitson's. He also confirmed a detail from Ed Sanders' "The Family" that Melcher had let him borrow his Jaguar for the long drive to UkiahThis might be high tension wire drama.were it not for the fact that this has been public record since 1971. In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. Border Patrol agents finally breached the door about 40 minutes to an hour later when a staff member gave them a key. Mon Durphy, youre forgetting Manson, his mysterious partner, and of course Whitson who was in the house after the murders but before the police came. Jul 13, 2020. I don't buy into Bugliosis's Helter Skelter narrative however some of the girls have attested to This. That just sounds funny. And besides, eventually, his officer did begin steps to revoke and when he did, it was for things that could actually be proven and made to stick. Is Moorehouse still alive? Some people have a fairly good memory recall; of the death troupe, Susan & Linda seemed to. Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . I'd be willing to buy it if you ever put just a amateurish copy of it together, at 1200 pgs it sounds like you've got alot of content in it, what would make it EXTRA special is if it was indexed, so often I've found myself looking for info on a specific person, date, place, incident, quote, etc and then having to Wade through a million google entries that go nowhere and in the case of some of the minutia of the case not being able to find anything at all on it, Also by "amateurish" I don't mean the content of it but the presentation, I'm not looking for anything put together by a professional publishing company or anything. IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT YOURE A POSER. It was very tempting to engage in some of the posts, especially with Destroyer of Opinions. ONeal's lousy, undocumented conspiracy book? His daughter is a Bluebird survivor and her memories are returning in fractured pieces. That doesn't make any sense. That is how I was able to write a 1200 page encyclopedia on Manson, etc. Neutralizing the Left The Lawyer Swap Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic Mind Control Where Does It All Go? Whether he still worked for the CIA, who knows. The flag was put on the couch after she and her co-murderers left, where it would be seen by Winifred in the morning. Reeve Whitson? I traced Whitson online. (as well as Cointelpro and CHAOS agents provocateurs). "Speaking of Linkletter, Whitson introduced them to the more famous father:A Strange and Wild Place, by Sandra Macpherson c.2004pg211"Alistair and his wife had come across Reeve while they were in America, and were introduced to well-respected and known individuals, who were also caught up in Reeve's vision. Retweets. Whenever I went over to Sharon's and I'd see the flag there, I'd tell her it wasn't right. Yeah, look I can see Whitson as a very bit player in the whole saga but as some Matt Damon Bourne Supremacy operative, not while the grass is green and the sky is blue. Winans was the one who coordinated the Tate-LaBianca killings. And then there was the investigation he helped Col. Tate conduct. A search of newspapers.com shows that he grew up in Kendallville, Indiana, got married to Mary Worch of Santa Monica on Jan. 7, 1952, and that his father worked in the circus. In January the actual mechanics of HS were barely formulated in Charlie's mind. 0 Reeve Whitson was a major player in the Laurel Canyon scene. He was involved in the two Kennedy assassinations as well as the MLK assassination, the CIA in Operation Bluebird, biker gangs and worked at Lookout Mountain Air Force Station at the top of Laurel Canyon. The instance of the book saying that Dean Moorehouse lived at Cielo is unforgivable because it is errantly misleading, pure and simple. I remember reading that Moorehouse molested his daughtersIf there's one thing I've come to realize in regard to TLB and other matters of such complexity that have attracted much thought, controversy, speculation and revision, it's that the phrase "I read somewhere" or "I remember reading/seeing somewhere" is one that is fraught with pitfalls because it's almost used as a barometer of the truth of the matter whereas in actuality, it could mean anything, something or nothing at all. He is mentioned several times in the papers and documents of Robert B. Anderson, who was Eisenhower's Deputy Secretary of Defense and then his Treasury Secretary. He was a close friend of Sebring, Tate and Polanski. ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. He's scared to die now that he's in he's eighties, so I don't see him killing himself. He got a call from Reeve Whitson at 7:00 in the morning, a full NINETY minutes before Winifred Chapman arrived at the Cielo houseAnd he didn't report this to the Police ? Other than Gregg Jacobson and Stephanie Schram's sister, virtually no one outside the Family {or close contacts like Juan Flynn} has a pre~August '69 concept of HS. All the other times he is mentioned by Bugliosi.Thanks, Grim, for giving us the testimony. Reeve Whitson of Ireland and James Webber of England shake hands on the 18th hole at the end of their singles match on the final day of the Boys Home. He'd get arrested, that's all.That makes absolutely no senseIt makes abundant sense. None of them saw the scene in the daylight and none of them saw the place again after they'd left Cielo. Ajerseydevil said why Manson's parole was never revoked after all of his arrests for some fairly serious crimesWhy would someone's parole or probation be revoked for getting arrested ? I actually have been checking in most days since May. You give a certain impression that actually is not so. The man comes across as a narcissistic hypocrite who also is a Mark Fuhrman apologist. Who. Chapters are as followed: Prologue The Crime of the Century An Aura of Danger The Golden Penetrators The Holes in Helter Skelter Amnesia at the L.A. County Sheriff's Office Who Was Reeve Whitson? its being called 'Havana Syndrome' and its Believed it was caused by secret sonic weaponry now being called out in a new investigation. . Her Aunt says my friend knew several foreign languages and had a photographic memory back then. Hopefully I can get on in the next couple of days. The FBI files tell a clear . California Deaths, 1940 - 1997. Has anyone ever heard of it?Yes, excerps were in the book by Alyssa Statman and Bree Tate. Take the Manson murders, which we've all probably heard about ad nauseam. After several years of this, they administered the coup de grace by immortalizing . The similarities include a close relationship with Manson, the desert ranches, Skorzeny, drugs, a probable link to a very secret CIA division, and he was a killer. Got a link? ONeill interviewed Paul Tate, Sharons father, who said that Whitson was a friend of Roman, Sharon, and Jay. Moorehouse was a bum! hb`````fc`e`-bb@ ! 00 10(tl He could not have been there prior to the dinner engagement at the El Coyote, otherwise he would joined Sharon, Jay, Wojtek and Abigail.The time of departure to the restaurant is tied to the delivery of Abigails bicycle by Dennis Hurst. Convicted, yeah, I can see that. 112 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/ID[<09006881B058AD42AB4493C3B39AB84E>]/Index[77 63]/Info 76 0 R/Length 151/Prev 264529/Root 78 0 R/Size 140/Type/XRef/W[1 3 1]>>stream I've thought to myself many times:what if one of those girls would have come over and talked with me, would I have "followed-her-around? She'd nod and say she knew, but that Gibby and Voityck thought it was very funny. He was friends with Jay Sebring and Polanski was a buddy of his, and the Beach Boys--and he met Manson through all this. officials, KKK, Satanists, Dixie Mafia, Project Bluebird, and MKULTRA, Lookout Mt. L`L,3`v]fUn,^/ {N n^{a "2d`5`,/ f30ul#9@ o+ He didn't even want to leave prison.Imo, He racked up far more than enough of these activities to get sent backIn your opinion. I really loved Peter Levenda's "Sinister Forces" three volume set. Just read Joseph Trento's book, SECRET HISTORY OF THE CIA.Reeve Whitson was involved with the TLB case. The son of an actress and a circus acrobat, Whitson enters our story when Tom O'Neill has Whitson phone Hatami early that Saturday morning we all know so well before anyone else discovered the bodies up on Cielo. ONeill got a lot of help for his book from Stephen Kay. One of the ways the CIA were able to keep tabs on the cult was by making agents grow their hair out, dress like hippies and join the Manson family in whatever commune they were in at the time.. William Weston said ONeill got an unpublished manuscript called Five Down at Cielo Drive written by three authors, Lt. Helder, Paul Tate, and an FBI man named Roger LeJeunnesse. This program was headed by Gerald Shur of the DOJ. EL-KABONG! And it just lingers in cyberspace and in time, becomes accepted as some kind of unshakable truth. He was not very intelligent an IQ around 85 he was a savant to murder instinctively knew how to kill and get rid of bodies. He absolutely did not. I would love it if Stephen Kay wrote a memoir, not just for the Manson stuff but because he nailed that scumbag Lawrence Bittaker. Whitson had the Tate house under surveillance, which is how he knew something was going to happen. What I'm getting at is that so many people have said so many things over the years and so often, information has been confused, mis-stated, misconstrued and people have projected something as fact when there has been no evidence to support it or any finding of proof. Has anyone considered the possibility that Whitson was working for Peter Folger (Abigails Dad)?We know Mr. Folger was having Abigail watched by private detectives because he was very worried about her "associations." Texas Shooting: 40 Cops Stood Around Outside the School for 40 Minutes Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. But can you tell me where you read that Mike Deasy attacked Charles Manson with a pitchfork at Spahn's Ranch?I've never said that I read this. She knew that the others were making fun of the flag, of the establishment. Whitson though is mentioned in literature on the web as being at least associated with the CIA. Reeve Whitson Profiles - Facebook I asked about it. Whitson had worked in Central America during the late 50s, close to the Folger Company's offices (Ecuador?). However, it's important not to make the same mistake some make with Charles Manson and ascribe responsibility for every dodgy activity that took place within a given span and vest them with superhuman powers.